.:SonicBomb:.
    Login or Register
::  Home  ::  Videos  ::  Your Account  ::  Forums  ::  RSS Feed  ::
 
 
::Content::
  • Atomic
  • - Aviation
    - Aircraft
    - Military
    - Explosions
    - WW2
    - Various
    - Hi-Def
    - Photos

    - Wallpaper

    - Nuclear

    - WWI

    - WWII

    Advertisment
    Search
    Custom Search
    User Info
    Welcome, Anonymous
    Nickname
    Password
    (Register)
    Membership:
    Latest: madlis63
    New Today: 1
    New Yesterday: 1
    Overall: 687

    People Online:
    Visitors: 0
    Members: 0
    Total: 0

    sonicbomb.com :: View topic - Police Arrest 3 in Slovakia in Nuclear Material Smuggling...

    Forum FAQ Search Memberlist Usergroups Profile Log in to check your private messages Log in

    View next topic
    View previous topic
    Post new topic Reply to topic  sonicbomb.com Forum Index » Current Events
    Author Message
    Mack Bolan
    Cherokee (3.8 mt)


    Joined: Aug 13, 2007
    Posts: 379

    PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 8:58 pm Reply with quote



    BRATISLAVA, Slovakia — Three people have been arrested for trying to sell 2.2 pounds of an unspecified radioactive material for $1 million, police in Slovakia said Wednesday.

    The Czech news agency CTK, citing unconfirmed reports, said the material was enriched uranium. Slovak police spokesman Martin Korch declined comment on the report, saying specialists were examining the material.

    Two of the suspects were arrested in eastern Slovakia, and the third was arrested in Hungary, Korch said. The suspects were not identified.

    Slovak and Hungarian police have been working together on the case for several months, Korch said.

    Hungary's National Bureau of Investigation had no comment Wednesday.

    Erich Tomas, a spokesman for the Slovak Interior Ministry, said he had no information about the case. The U.S. Embassy in Bratislava, the Slovak capital, had no immediate comment.

    There have been concerns that Eastern Europe could be a source of radioactive material for a so-called "dirty bomb" designed to kill people by dispersing radiation.

    In 2003, police in the Czech Republic, which borders Slovakia, arrested two Slovaks in a sting operation in the city of Brno after they allegedly sold undercover officers bars of low-enriched uranium for $715,000.

    Melissa Fleming, a spokeswoman for the Vienna-based International Atomic Energy Agency, said the U.N. nuclear watchdog would be following up on the case.

    "It will be important to determine whether the material in question is nuclear," Fleming said. Such incidents are tracked in an IAEA database, she said.

    Concerns about nuclear smuggling have generally been focused on Russia and countries of the former Soviet Union, where security at nuclear-related industries deteriorated after the 1992 Soviet collapse.

    The U.S.-based Nuclear Threat Initiative, an organization dedicated to reducing the global threat from nuclear weapons, said in a report last year that Russia remains the prime country of concern for contraband nuclear material.

    In 2006, Georgian agents working with CIA officials set up a sting that led to the arrest of Russian citizen who tried to sell a small amount of weapons-grade uranium that he had in a plastic bag in his jacket pocket.

    In 1997, two men who officials said planned to smuggle 11 pounds of enriched uranium to Pakistan or China were arrested in the Siberian city of Novosibirsk. That uranium reportedly had been stolen from a plant in the former Soviet republic of Kazakhstan.




    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,313488,00.html
    View user's profile Send private message
    sonicbomb
    Forum Admin
    Forum Admin


    Joined: Aug 06, 2006
    Posts: 1707
    Location: UK

    PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 11:45 pm Reply with quote

    What intrigues me is, that assuming that those who want the material already have the means to make an radiological dispersion device (RDD), then why have they not already used one?
    View user's profile Send private message
    Graviton
    Yankee (13.5 mt)


    Joined: Sep 03, 2006
    Posts: 1550
    Location: USA

    PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 5:33 am Reply with quote

    I will let the news settle for some days about any sensational headliner.
    View user's profile Send private message
    Mack Bolan
    Cherokee (3.8 mt)


    Joined: Aug 13, 2007
    Posts: 379

    PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 3:48 pm Reply with quote

    Here's part 2...


    BRATISLAVA, Slovakia — Two Hungarians and a Ukrainian arrested in an attempted sale of uranium were peddling material enriched enough to be used in a radiological "dirty bomb," Slovak authorities said Thursday.

    First Slovak Police Vice President Michal Kopcik said the three suspects, who were arrested Wednesday afternoon in eastern Slovakia and Hungary, had just under half a pound of uranium in powder form that investigators believe came from somewhere in the former Soviet Union.

    "It was possible to use it in various ways for terrorist attacks," Kopcik told reporters.

    Kopcik said investigators were still working to determine who ultimately was trying to buy the uranium, which the trio allegedly was selling for $1 million.

    He said police had intelligence suggesting that the suspects — whose names were not released, but were aged 40, 49 and 51 — originally had planned to close the deal sometime between this past Monday and Wednesday. One of the Hungarians had been living in Ukraine.

    Police moved in when the sale did not occur as expected, he said.

    Kopcik said three other suspects — including a Slovak national identified only as Eugen K. — were detained in the neighboring Czech Republic in mid-October for allegedly trying to sell fake radioactive materials. It was unclear to what degree, if any, they played a role in the thwarted uranium sale.

    "According to initial findings, the material originated in the former Soviet republics," Kopcik said.

    He said a total of 481.4 grams of uranium had been stashed in unspecified containers, and that investigators determined it contained 98.6 percent uranium-235. Uranium is considered weapons-grade if it contains at least 85 percent uranium-235.

    The arrests heightened long-standing concerns that Eastern Europe is serving as a source of radioactive material for a "dirty bomb," which would use conventional explosives to scatter radioactive debris.

    Eastern Slovakia's border with Ukraine is the European Union's easternmost frontier, and authorities have spent millions tightening security in the past few years, fearing terrorists or organized crime syndicates could smuggle weapons, explosives and other contraband into the EU.

    In 2003, police in the Czech Republic, which borders Slovakia, arrested two Slovaks in a sting operation in the city of Brno after they allegedly sold undercover officers natural depleted uranium for $715,000.

    Slovak and Hungarian police worked together on the new case for several months, said Martin Korch, a Slovak police spokesman. He would not say how long the suspects were under surveillance, or detail how they were arrested and to whom they were trying to sell the material.

    The Vienna-based International Atomic Energy Agency, which closely tracks reports of illicit trafficking in radioactive materials, said Thursday it was trying to contact Slovak and Hungarian authorities for more information.

    Richard Hoskins, the IAEA official who administers the database, said that last year alone the U.N. nuclear watchdog registered 252 reported cases of radioactive materials that were stolen, missing, smuggled or in the possession of unauthorized individuals — a 385 percent increase since 2002.

    But Hoskins cautioned that the spike probably was due at least in part to better reporting and improved law enforcement efforts. Of the 252 cases, about 85 involved thefts or losses, and not all the material was suitable for use in a weapon, he said.

    Even so, "there are far too many incidents of material not being properly controlled," Hoskins told the AP in a telephone interview. "If we can do a better job, we can help keep these materials from falling into terrorist hands."

    Concerns about nuclear smuggling have generally been focused on Russia and countries of the former Soviet Union, where security at nuclear-related industries deteriorated after the 1991 Soviet collapse.

    The U.S.-based Nuclear Threat Initiative, an organization dedicated to reducing the global threat from nuclear weapons, said in a report last year that Russia remains the prime country of concern for contraband nuclear material.

    In 2006, Georgian agents working with CIA officials set up a sting that led to the arrest of a Russian citizen who tried to sell a small amount of weapons-grade uranium that he had in a plastic bag in his jacket pocket.

    In 1997, seven men who officials said planned to smuggle 11 pounds of enriched uranium to Pakistan or China were arrested in the Siberian city of Novosibirsk. That uranium reportedly had been stolen from a plant in the former Soviet republic of Kazakhstan.



    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,313693,00.html
    View user's profile Send private message
    Graviton
    Yankee (13.5 mt)


    Joined: Sep 03, 2006
    Posts: 1550
    Location: USA

    PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 4:25 pm Reply with quote

    ... Not a big deal to me, and the story suddenly sobered up after sensational opener.

    Guns and drug smuggling are a far bigger scare in Europe, since they both ruin and kill people, and make society dumb, resorting to criminal violence, escapism from reality (which is terribly mentally unhealthy) and damaging organs including brains. Yet idiots like a smaller, self-appointed elite thinking for them as they care less about important things in escaping to drugs, even at the cost of liberties and massive manipulation made even more possible by drugs making a dumber society among masses.

    Radioactive materials are all over the place, such as with the earlier rampant Soviet (and other international) use of cesium-137 gamma emitters in corn seed conditioning to prevent germination.

    As much as I dislike the The Guardian, here is the only quick reference I could find: http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,743244,00.html
    View user's profile Send private message
    fastfission
    Cherokee (3.8 mt)


    Joined: Apr 14, 2007
    Posts: 425
    Location: Arzamas-16

    PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 12:33 am Reply with quote

    Graviton wrote:


    Guns and drug smuggling are a far bigger scare in Europe, since they both ruin and kill people, and make society dumb, resorting to criminal violence, escapism from reality (which is terribly mentally unhealthy) and damaging organs including brains. Yet idiots like a smaller, self-appointed elite thinking for them as they care less about important things in escaping to drugs, even at the cost of liberties and massive manipulation made even more possible by drugs making a dumber society among masses.




    Err...the point of this Prohibitionist rant to this thread being? Clearly if presently illegal psychoactive drugs were regulated, licensed and sold like their legal cousins there would be no "criminal" market in such things.....

    Anyway, this is not the political arena....

    FF
    View user's profile Send private message
    Graviton
    Yankee (13.5 mt)


    Joined: Sep 03, 2006
    Posts: 1550
    Location: USA

    PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 12:42 am Reply with quote

    Quote:
    Err...the point of this Prohibitionist rant to this thread being? Clearly if presently illegal psychoactive drugs were regulated, licensed and sold like their legal cousins there would be no "criminal" market in such things.....

    Anyway, this is not the political arena....

    FF


    Perspective in priorities ... and facts.

    Dishonest people will always find ways to try to rationalize things like legalizing drugs using numbers that don't care about how they deteriorate people and shatter lives of users and sellers.

    Yes, drugs and guns, in perspective, ARE a far greater threat to Europe than some shady people selling radioactive materials.

    Drugs and guns ruin lives and bodily organs. Fact. Recreational drugs make dumb people by gradually or quickly lessening mental capability and emotional stability with persistent, repeated use. Fact.

    Perspective, yes. Er, er, er?
    View user's profile Send private message
    fastfission
    Cherokee (3.8 mt)


    Joined: Apr 14, 2007
    Posts: 425
    Location: Arzamas-16

    PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 9:38 pm Reply with quote

    "Recreational drugs make dumb people by gradually or quickly lessening mental capability and emotional stability with persistent, repeated use"

    The same applies to alcohol but we don't make that illegal so as not to create criminal markets. Only your country tried that and look what happened. You had no choice but to legalise again. The lesson? Never follow American policy on drugs as it is driven by Puritans and is doomed to failure.

    By the way I finally found a Republican presidential candidate I can support. Ron Paul. See http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Ron_Paul_Drugs.htm

    Ron Paul for 2008!

    Anyway - like I said- this ain't the political arena so let's stick to the topic and not dish out rhetoric, conjecture and opinion about an entirely different topic.

    FF
    View user's profile Send private message
    Graviton
    Yankee (13.5 mt)


    Joined: Sep 03, 2006
    Posts: 1550
    Location: USA

    PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 4:22 am Reply with quote

    I don't drink alcohol, and I agree that it is dumb drug.

    Ron Paul goes wayyyyy too far in coming in swinging an axe at budgets and many standard programs in social care and defense. He wants federal government at a minimum that could never work with a voting nation or Congress. He's a supreme example of lame duck ineffectiveness if he cannot marshal any Congressional support.
    View user's profile Send private message
    fastfission
    Cherokee (3.8 mt)


    Joined: Apr 14, 2007
    Posts: 425
    Location: Arzamas-16

    PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 12:59 pm Reply with quote

    More from Ron Paul on the war on drugs

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3SYWDkWyXA&feature=related

    At last a sensible Republican!
    View user's profile Send private message
    Graviton
    Yankee (13.5 mt)


    Joined: Sep 03, 2006
    Posts: 1550
    Location: USA

    PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 5:10 pm Reply with quote

    fastfission wrote:
    More from Ron Paul on the war on drugs

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3SYWDkWyXA&feature=related

    At last a sensible Republican!


    SENSIBLE??? Shocked This is naive to say Paul is sensible as a politician, to downright misinformed or deluded with intense support.

    The only reason he is getting increased support is because he is among the only 2 who really want to get USA out of Iraq.

    This is dangerously superficial, ignorant, and shortsighted of voters to think about one issue of a candidate without thinking about how they fit or don't fit into effective government for a broader base of needs of the population.

    The rest of the viable candidates are effectively in the pocket of the Israeli AIPAC lobby. This is a VERY dangerous and pathetic election selection, who only truly represent their largest financial backers, especially of foreign nations through proxy, which is treasonous in my view.

    About Paul:

    He wants to close every foreign base of the US military.

    He wants to abolish the United Nations, the basis organization for international law.

    He wants to isolate USA in terms of foreign policy.

    He wants to swing an axe at social security programs.

    He wants to end federal income tax.

    He wants to abolish the Federal Reserve, USA's central bank of government.

    He wants to abolish most federal agencies that would effectively destroy any cooperation from Congress.

    ... On and on with Paul's 18th to middle 19th centuries paleopolitics of extreme policies, by today's USA standards. He could never work with Congress, which makes for a pointless leader who can't pass any reasonable economic, military, or social legislation.

    I AM NOT A SOCIALIST. There is a huge difference between socialism and meeting basic social security needs.

    I'll call anyone a nut who swings a political axe like this, and a boorish thug anyone who doesn't care about fighting the terrible effects of recreational drugs beyond light alcohol consumption. It's like other crime. It will ALWAYS BE THERE. Does that mean police should disband because there is no hope of stopping crime as a concept? People are wanting a dumb society when they want to end the war on drugs.

    Patriots of democracy demand politicians in the MIDDLE, not to the far left or far right.
    View user's profile Send private message
    Teller25
    Cherokee (3.8 mt)


    Joined: Aug 22, 2007
    Posts: 254
    Location: Spain

    PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 7:20 pm Reply with quote

    Ron Paul has a point, since the war on Drugs isn’t working and will never work, because U.S. Politicians have never been interested in stopping drug consumption, they just pretend to be. Ask yourself how is it possible to always buy drugs even in the most remote place in the U.S., and there is never any shortage, who is letting this huge amounts of drugs to pass freely into the U.S., and how the hell are they so efficiently distributed in all the cities and towns in the country with no-one being arrested. Sure you will always see consumers and poor people who sell drugs on the streets in jail, but the big U.S. Drug lords (never heard of that before, not a surprise) that buy it, introduce it into the U.S and distribute it all over the country are never punished, this cannot be explained without the involvement of the Government in drug trafficking. You will never hear on the news “A trailer carrying 4 tons of cocaine from Arizona bound to N.Y. is stopped and the drug is destroyed.” The drug is transported freely across the country and authorities won’t stop it.
    Do you think the U.S. is NOT CAPABLE, of stopping EVERY (not a few) trailer, train, ship or aircraft crossing the borders and carrying the drugs necessary to satisfy the demand? They could easily do it, and it would be very easy with the advanced detection equipment they posses, a particle of that would be detected right away but they don’t want to. They have profited from that cooperation in the past and most likely they continue to do so…
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_on_Drugs#U.S._government_alleged_involvement_in_cocaine_trafficking
    Do you imagine if someone suddenly stopped the supply of illegal drugs, Iraq would look like a playground compared to any U.S city.
    View user's profile Send private message
    Graviton
    Yankee (13.5 mt)


    Joined: Sep 03, 2006
    Posts: 1550
    Location: USA

    PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 10:56 pm Reply with quote

    Teller25 wrote:
    Ron Paul has a point, since the war on Drugs isn’t working and will never work, because U.S. Politicians have never been interested in stopping drug consumption, they just pretend to be.


    It's amusing that some people find pride in Ron Paul thinking that fighting the drug war will never work, yet they ignore that his core ideas will never work, such as his economic and political views.

    You can quote all you want, yet you are lost to the idea of free drug use.

    I could care less if it drives the price of drugs up, you totally lose the common sense that drugs harm people and make a dumb society that threatens democracy.

    You can see that drug lords seek to control more than drug territory. Now they are targeting popular entertainment figures, even those who never made jokes about crime barons or sang about crime issues. This very much parallels what is happening in Russia after the breakup of the Soviet Union, and many KGB criminals who led or are leading crime networks are killing thousands of people, a reported 5000 last year alone.

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,315983,00.html

    You can also see that the main problem in Mexico is not about drugs. There is a massive cultural problem that can overlook such crimes for so long, covered up by massive police and other official corruption added to ineptitude common there:

    http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/12/06/mexico.exhumations.ap/index.html

    You also ignore the TERRIBLE conditions of free drug use in the late 1800s that caused so much havoc in far increased drug addiction that suddenly dipped with the regulations entering into play.

    Maybe Holland wants dumb people as socialistic countries usually prefer, so fewer clearheaded people can tell the masses what to think and do in taking advantage of the system.

    We cannot legislate against stupidity, which no drug war can conquer, just as in other violent crimes. It will never go away.

    I also know what free drug use would do with nothing to counter, such as the drooling heroin users begging for money -- because they make a job into almost nothing of a priority to drugs taking over -- and annoying and almost threatening the outdoor tables of street restaurant customers. The fact that they were on illegal drugs on a personal experience occasion allowed the cops to move in and force the druggie to take court enforced drug rehab programs, and I have never seen these individuals high again on the street and threatening customers.

    Another concern is escalating medical costs if druggies came out of the closet, which only a highly socialized country like Holland can deal with without massive illegal immigration problems like USA has.

    USA also cannot afford such a highly socialized medical system, since USA is head and shoulders above nations in medical research activity and costs, off which other nations often leech.

    People totally lose common sense when not caring about fighting drug demand at both ends, supply and demand, in a gesture that also taught me not to use drugs: people including family and carefully chosen friends that raised or supported me mutually in a lifestyle totally against drugs beyond light alcohol use.

    I also don't drink alcohol by choice. I always saw it as a poison.
    View user's profile Send private message
    Teller25
    Cherokee (3.8 mt)


    Joined: Aug 22, 2007
    Posts: 254
    Location: Spain

    PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 7:26 pm Reply with quote

    I have never said that drugs were good in ANY part of my post, they are POISON, and they shouldn’t be legal, but the current ultra-corrupt system http://www.boingboing.net/2007/10/09/crashed-drug-plane-o.html
    won’t stop them ever, the answer has more to do with educational campaigns and a change in the current culture that hails drug use. They create a lot of violence in Mexico and elsewhere but the U.S government won’t do anything to stop the flow of assault weapons into Mexico.

    As for the illegal immigrants “problem” if the U.S government decided that no one gets through then no one would cross the border, a well-built wall across ALL the border would stop them for good, but they don’t do that because they NEED them, who is going to work in the fields, in the factories, sweep the streets, clean the houses, buildings, hotel rooms, kitchens in the restaurants, wash the cars, prepare the food, take care of the children, and much more, for the minimum wage or less, pay taxes and not have any labor right, you? I don’t think so. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEedZJka1HQ
    If making a balance, immigration wasn’t convenient to America, they would simply close the border. Instead they build walls and increase security on the easy access places to “select” only those immigrants that are strong enough to survive crossing the desert.
    View user's profile Send private message
    Graviton
    Yankee (13.5 mt)


    Joined: Sep 03, 2006
    Posts: 1550
    Location: USA

    PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 8:51 pm Reply with quote

    It's nonsense about USA "needing" foreign workers in an illegal manner. Mexicans and Latin-Americans drive down the pay of those workers too. Guest worker programs in a carefully monitored, bused procedure can solve the needs for working fields in the southwest's food fields.

    Northern USA fields are dedicated to dairy and beef farming, and the related feed for cattle. These don't require much manual labor beyond automated machines.

    Something that outrages me is that Mexicans insist on getting drivers' licenses, free medical care, and more from USA, while the Mexican government denies these to foreigners to their country.

    Another outrage is the Mexicans insist that USA needs uncontrolled immigration, and they try to believe USA needs workers like in the 1880s-early 1900s UNDERemployment years, which is a lie, because USA is now OVERemployed. My European great grandparents had to wait in line at Ellis Island, New York, the LEGAL way, in the 1880s ... YES, LEGALLY. Times have greatly changed, but overwhelming Mexicans don't want to grow up and face facts that the times HAVE CHANGED.

    FACT: USA CANNOT be the overflow zone for immigrants from the world's 90+% nations facing barbaric cultural, socioeconomic, and political problems. USA simply cannot babysit the world, remove old, old tribal hatreds, or instill reasonable honesty or battle screaming corruption in 90+% of the world.

    It's also a lie that no one gets in. The FACT is THERE IS A LINE, but overwhelming Hispanics won't wait their turn. They are simply singular and extremely rude in their thinking, since they refuse to wait, while their shills yell down those legally entering. Overwhelming Mexicans refuse to tolerate the notion that there are hugely many legal, hopeful entries waiting in line, while legal entries are often symbolically shouting "THE LINE IS OVER HERE!" at immigration processing points.

    I have Indian friends from Kenya, whom I have known for over 20 years, who just moved legally to USA with a green card permitting work status, who faced one family member shot but surviving, while another was shot dead because of black unrest there. They can tell you all about the legal entry line in USA, and how they had to use the lottery system to luckily get legal entry -- but Mexicans refuse to recognize this randomly drawn lottery as anything BUT racist, or not existing at all.
    View user's profile Send private message
    Display posts from previous:   
    Post new topic Reply to topic

    View next topic
    View previous topic
    You cannot post new topics in this forum
    You cannot reply to topics in this forum
    You cannot edit your posts in this forum
    You cannot delete your posts in this forum
    You cannot vote in polls in this forum


    Powered by phpBB © 2001 phpBB Group
    | Privacy Policy || Contact us |

    Page Generation: 0.12 Seconds
    :: In the future we will all be robots ::