No, they haven't been rising overall, according to untweaked/so-called un"corrected" (a.k.a. not rigged to meet a political/ideological goal) observational data. Here is the problem: direct observation data show average global temperature is cooling over a longer pattern, while models say it should warm.
A clue into the devil behind the ideological corruption of the scientific community towards climate and resource POLITICS is in a speech that a senior scientist gave to his peers, to a standing ovation. He sees the world better off without 90% of its human population. He even said that humans are "... No better than bacteria." This is eagerly supported by many professionals in the scientific and progressive communities.
This sort of cynicism and delight in mass extinction of humans has a lot of support among progressives.
People must be nearly out of their minds to support such thinking, especially alarm at its lack of ethics: the enjoyable idea of a near mass-extinction of humanity. This is why any graphs are utter nonsense when the real, underlying motive is to selectively remove human resource use through punitive political and economic action against Western societies.
bueschu Cherokee (3.8 mt)
Joined: Mar 17, 2008
Mon Feb 01, 2016 7:42 pm
Better read the whole thing next time:
"...Yet, the bio- and geo-thermometers used last year in a study in the journal Science suggest a period of global cooling beginning about 7,000 years ago and continuing until humans began to leave a mark, the so-called "hockey stick" on the current climate model graph, which reflects a profound global warming trend [...]
With their current knowledge, Liu and colleagues don't believe any physical forces over the last 10,000 years could have been strong enough to overwhelm the warming indicated by the increase in global greenhouse gases and the melting ice sheet, nor do the physical models in the study show that it's possible.
"The fundamental laws of physics say that as the temperature goes up, it has to get warmer," Liu says.
Rense's virtually a Neonazi website! Why am I not surprised that you'd resort even to that kind of crackpot source?
Graviton - making a fool of himself since 2008...
Graviton Yankee (13.5 mt)
Joined: Sep 03, 2006
Tue Feb 02, 2016 5:19 am
Bueschu, you're the one making a fool of himself in your childish, personal attacks, including insulting others' intelligence. I have grown to try to avoid this childish behavior in the renewed dialog. Try to act civilized, please.
Your behavior only shows your contempt for humanity in supporting a system that wants to go above national sovereignty, using falsified science as an excuse, and attack human rights with microcontrol over every aspect our personal lives, through food, lifestyle, and energy consumption -- added to the immense amount of personal data governments record of our emails, SMSs, and much more.
All this, while alarmists are positioning themselves to try to control a global market they demand to create. Al Gore made hundreds of millions of dollars, exploiting this scare.
These events are factually documented.
These autocratic support trends toward a more complete police state are also very dangerous and highly oppressive if activated in unison by by these same people who seek to microcontrol other and all people, and curb free speech, clearly demonstrated in twisted political correctness policies applied to law, silencing justifiable and rational critics in many areas of politics.
Rense was quoting from another source that has credibility. He did not write it himself. It's not some Neonazi creation. You get the false idea that everything quoted at a conspiracy site is written by conspiracy awareness people themselves, and is therefore by fallacious innuendo, false in itself. You are wrongful in trying to spin it this way.
And it did read it. I was also taking the fact that observations showed a cooling until only very recently, which throws your argument into turmoil, since that cooling included lengthy periods of multiple times the CO2 we now have. You cherrypick your excerpts to show the Hockey Stick model, which has been destroyed years ago as data falsification. If a scientist supports the Hockey Stick, they are not being honest, or even scientific (in cheating). A one year spike in temperature is not a revelation of Hockey Stick coming to life.
Of course people and interests you support are repeated offenders of data falsification, clearly shown in the East Anglia scandal, aka Climategate, where Doc Hockey Stick (Mann) himself revealed his work in falsifying data and harassing his rivals.
There is also a lot more evidence against your people, so get off of criticizing a site of mine with spun innuendo, while you support people who actually DID CONTRIBUTE to the rise of Nazis, the progressives and Fabian socialists.
The progressive legacy is in Labour, which uses the London School of Economics, which was co-created by Fabian socialists who DID praise the Nazis before the Holocaust was revealed, and equally the American Progressives, ... and elsewhere. American progressive academics actually advised the Nazis in medical killing of people. George Bernard Shaw is arguably credited with developing the idea of gas for industrial killing of political enemies. Shaw was at the center of finding the London School of Economics, which trains people according to the Fabian socialist legacy.
Former Labour PM Tony Blair proudly displaying the recovered Fabian Window, which GB Shaw designed, with none other than Shaw himself in it, holding the Earth at a forge. Senior Labour officials are educated at the LSE, in line with legacy Fabian socialist ideals. Important information: http://www.lse.ac.uk/newsAndMedia/news/archives/2006/FabianWindow.aspx
Repeating myself again, a fact is that there has been a long cooling trend, event in current years, and that some other experts are saying they predict a possible ice age returning. A short spike of a single 2015 is also NOT A TREND. It would be dishonest to cite one single year as a trend.
A key point here is to see that there is a vast difference of opinion in scientific prognostication of future climate issues. Models NOW cannot event agree of even come to the climate today, using data AT THIS TIME. Concensus, as repeatedly stated by the alarmists, is baloney support excuse, and it does not show a causality, especially among any realistic professionals who seek truth of the condition. My citation included an example of this fact.
Also quit spinning me. Because I cite something does not mean I agree with all of it. I take some key points of an author revealing issues in the community, both those with which I agree, and those I don't.
And what is all this garbage about ice cap reductions? People need to move on, past these lame excuses to do very bad political and economic things to curb human rights on a global scale. The ice caps don't say much at all, if anything at all, about human activity, since it has been happening many times in history, with or without human civilization. It is well known what ablation does to remove ice without melting. Greenland used to be relatively warm from 800-1200 AD; there was limited farming on its landmass, yet no energy industry whatsoever. Northern Scotland used to have wine grape vineyards, which require a longterm higher temperature. Important fact: poles do increase and decrease, and nothing to do with human activity. The South Pole is achieving record ice coverage now.
bueschu Cherokee (3.8 mt)
Joined: Mar 17, 2008
Thu Feb 04, 2016 8:55 am
"Rense was quoting from another source that has credibility. He did not write it himself. It's not some Neonazi creation."
Yet you quoted the article from that Neonazi site. It's not "spinning" if I point out the low quality of your sources. So quit your whining and just don't provide links to such sites in the future.
Also climate change isn't even mentioned once in that article. Nice one.
"... since that cooling included lengthy periods of multiple times the CO2 we now have."
When? A few 100 million years ago, when the suns energy output was much lower than it is today?
In the meantime:
Greenhouse gas highest since the Pliocene, when sea levels were higher and the Earth was warmer.
An instrument near the summit of Mauna Loa in Hawaii has recorded a long-awaited climate milestone: the amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere there has exceeded 400 parts per million (ppm) for the first time in 55 years of measurement—and probably more than 3 million years of Earth history.
"...a fact is that there has been a long cooling trend, event in current years,..."
... which happen to be the warmest since at least several thousand years. View page 33 of our discussion for that. Some great cooling that is...
Btw, Greenland & the ice caps etc. have already been discussed in this thread a few pages back aswell. Your memory seems to be experiencing slight problems.
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