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    Mack Bolan
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    PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 5:30 am Reply with quote

    WASHINGTON - Every effort should be made to stop Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons, but failing that, the world could live with a nuclear-armed regime in Tehran, a recently retired commander of U.S. forces in the Middle East said Monday.


    John Abizaid, the retired Army general who headed Central Command for nearly four years, said he was confident that if Iran gained nuclear arms, the United States could deter it from using them.

    "Iran is not a suicide nation," he said. "I mean, they may have some people in charge that don't appear to be rational, but I doubt that the Iranians intend to attack us with a nuclear weapon."

    The Iranians are aware, he said, that the United States has a far superior military capability.

    "I believe that we have the power to deter Iran, should it become nuclear," he said, referring to the theory that Iran would not risk a catastrophic retaliatory strike by using a nuclear weapon against the United States.

    "There are ways to live with a nuclear Iran," Abizaid said in remarks at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, a think tank. "Let's face it, we lived with a nuclear Soviet Union, we've lived with a nuclear China, and we're living with (other) nuclear powers as well."

    He stressed that he was expressing his personal opinion and that none of his remarks were based on his previous experience with U.S. contingency plans for potential military action against Iran.

    Abizaid stressed the dangers of allowing more and more nations to build a nuclear arsenal. And while he said it is likely that Iran will make a technological breakthrough to obtain a nuclear bomb, "it's not inevitable."

    Iran says its nuclear program is strictly for energy resources, not to build weapons.

    Abizaid suggested military action to pre-empt Iran's nuclear ambitions might not be the wisest course.

    "War, in the state-to-state sense, in that part of the region would be devastating for everybody, and we should avoid it in my mind to every extent that we can," he said. "On the other hand, we can't allow the Iranians to continue to push in ways that are injurious to our vital interests."

    He suggested that many in Iran perhaps even some in the Tehran government are open to cooperating with the West. The thrust of his remarks was a call for patience in dealing with Iran, which President Bush early in his first term labeled one of the "axis of evil" nations, along with North Korea and Iraq.

    He said there is a basis for hope that Iran, over time, will move away from its current anti-Western stance.

    Abizaid's comments appeared to represent a more accommodating and hopeful stance toward Iran than prevails in the White House, which speaks frequently of the threat posed by Iran's nuclear ambitions. The administration says it seeks a diplomatic solution to complaints about Iran's alleged support for terrorism and its nuclear program, amid persistent rumors of preparations for a U.S. military strike.

    Abizaid expressed confidence that the United States and the world community can manage the Iran problem.

    "I believe the United States, with our great military power, can contain Iran that the United States can deliver clear messages to the Iranians that makes it clear to them that while they may develop one or two nuclear weapons they'll never be able to compete with us in our true military might and power," he said.

    He described Iran's government as reckless, with ambitions to dominate the Middle East.

    "We need to press the international community as hard as we possibly can, and the Iranians, to cease and desist on the development of a nuclear weapon and we should not preclude any option that we may have to deal with it," he said. He then added his remark about finding ways to live with a nuclear-armed Iran.

    Abizaid made his remarks in response to questions from his audience after delivering remarks about the major strategic challenges in the Middle East and Central Asia the region in which he commanded U.S. forces from July 2003 until February 2007, when he was replaced by Adm. William Fallon.

    The U.S. cut diplomatic relations with Iran shortly after the 1979 storming of the U.S. Embassy in Tehran. Although both nations have made public and private attempts to improve relations, the Bush administration labeled Iran part of an "axis of evil," and Iranian leaders still refer to the United States as the Great Satan.



    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070918/ap_on_go_ot/abizaid_iran
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    Blake
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    PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 11:52 am Reply with quote

    Do you think John would let Michael Jackson watch his children, or Michael Vick watch his dogs? Probably not. I'm sure someone will find fault with my logic, but is this guy insane? Or is a nuclear tipped Iran not such a bad idea after all?
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    altair7
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    PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 9:21 pm Reply with quote

    I kind of think that a nuclear tipped Iran might be bad. Confused
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    Graviton
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    PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 11:22 pm Reply with quote

    What's so goofy and potentially dishonest is the Western media rarely if ever mention that Ahmadinejad does not control military, nuclear, or foreign policy of Iran.

    The Council of Experts and the Grand Ayatollah have those roles among others.
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    fastfission
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    PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 12:36 am Reply with quote

    The article mentions nothing of the danger of Iran giving nuclear weapons to its many friends in various terror organisations around the world, who would not have a "return address" to retaliate against.

    Unfortunately Tory candidate for London Mayor, Boris Johnson, agrees with the article see

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2006/10/12/do1201.xml

    Boris is right to want bring back the Routemaster (and scrap those bendy buses) but should deffo stay out of foreign affairs I reckon.... Embarassed

    FF
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    Graviton
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    PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 5:42 am Reply with quote

    We must to wait a day or two before the controversy settles each time provocative statements come out.

    This finally rolled out through AP.
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    sonicbomb
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    PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 10:40 am Reply with quote

    Boris is an utter clown. In fact I can't believe he holds office of any kind what-so-ever.
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    Graviton
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    PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 3:58 pm Reply with quote

    It's hard to believe both Ken and Boris are both so incompetent.

    That political circus needs an official, without portfolio, Crown's Clown in London, for public relations.
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    fastfission
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    PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 12:13 am Reply with quote

    Yes it is hard to believe our "choices" are just so bad.

    It's one of those "do you want to be hung or shot?" type choices.

    Personally I think this all shows that the old adversarial political party system is moribund and ultimately doomed to failure. Instead of the State funding political parties, I would rather see them all banned and independent individuals stand for office and be elected on the strength of what individuals actually believe - rather than on how much an individual can suck up to, and toe, a party line.

    All political parties are equally wrong. If any one party had access to the "truth" then it would stay in power forever. Fact is that by allying oneself to a particular set of a priori beliefs, a genuine individual is betraying themselves as well as the process of evolution itself.

    Heres to a system of democracy that transcends the old party line.....

    FF
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    Blake
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    PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 2:23 pm Reply with quote

    fastfission wrote:
    Yes it is hard to believe our "choices" are just so bad.

    It's one of those "do you want to be hung or shot?" type choices.

    Personally I think this all shows that the old adversarial political party system is moribund and ultimately doomed to failure. Instead of the State funding political parties, I would rather see them all banned and independent individuals stand for office and be elected on the strength of what individuals actually believe - rather than on how much an individual can suck up to, and toe, a party line.

    All political parties are equally wrong. If any one party had access to the "truth" then it would stay in power forever. Fact is that by allying oneself to a particular set of a priori beliefs, a genuine individual is betraying themselves as well as the process of evolution itself.

    Heres to a system of democracy that transcends the old party line.....

    FF



    I'll second that. If there was only some way to make hell freeze over.
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    fastfission
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    PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 3:55 pm Reply with quote

    I know. I'm not holding my breath on this happening anytime soon....... Laughing
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